RE: Regardless of your religion and without trying to convert anyone, what do you believe, what are your beliefs, what does God mean to you? by MikeC

MikeC — Sun, 18 Dec 2011 15:12:22 GMT

Bob Suffolk You ask "Why should we tolerate atheism at all ? " It is simple, because they exist and it not up to us not to tolerate them. The difficulty is when we pay unwarented attention to them. My biggest problem is with people who can not make up there own mind about believing in God or not. Then they tell the rest of us that we should be fair and compromise who we are for there sake. I don't need to agree with you or Atheists and I also do not have an obligation to change my feelings for your sake. I may want to, but I am not obligated to. We have an obligation to be civil and respectful, but that is it. I alway's tell people, if you believe in God, when your time comes to face him. I would almost be sure God would not be interested in how well you stood up for everyone else's beliefs or Gods, but rather how well you stood up for Him, the God you believe in. To me appeasement of basic principles is the true problem. I will never compromise the words that where written in the Ten Commandments of God for any reason. Not for my wife, not for my kid's, not for love or hate. In this country and the power of the vote. It is totally in our hands on what we say and do. As far as Atheists, who is the fool, the fool or the one that follows the fool ? General apathy is the mortal enemy of this country, not atheists. As Americans, the power is in our hands, we just seem to refuse to use it. GBY MikeC

RE: Which statement was the lie? Mormons don't believe ... by Chris

Chris — Mon, 09 Jan 2012 17:41:40 GMT

which statement was the lie? Mormons don't believe Jon Smith was a prophet? Santorum isn't opposed to all forms of birth control? What are talking about? Besides your insanity or inability to read.

RE: Atheists lie. All they do well. by dendrites1111

dendrites1111 — Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:09:17 GMT

Atheists lie. All they do well.

RE: You mean like one that tells us we can't use ... by Chris

Chris — Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:18:14 GMT

You mean like one that tells us we can't use contraception (Rick Santorum). Or one that thinks Jon Smith is a prophet that spoke to GOD (Mitt Romney). I'll take my chances with Obama thank you. He isn't perfect, but he's way better than the GOP candidates. Rick Perry is even worse than the other two. You needn't go further than watching him freak out over the syrup gift to see that. He's not playing with a full deck.

RE: You sound like 2 people with there head up your ass. WAKE UP!! by Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 05 Jan 2012 02:50:47 GMT

You sound like 2 people with there head up your ass. WAKE UP!!

RE: First of all the government has no business ... by MikeC

MikeC — Thu, 05 Jan 2012 00:38:53 GMT

First of all the government has no business telling McDonalds they can or cannot give big macs away for free. That is not the federal government business. The Fed's proved to be incompetent in oversight and everything else. Every time you buy stock, you gamble with future markets. If know one gambles there will be no markets. no pensions, no hospitalization, just the haves and have not's. We need a responsible government, not a controlling one.

RE: Sure but if the government tells McDonalds they ... by Chris

Chris — Thu, 05 Jan 2012 00:22:57 GMT

Sure but if the government tells McDonalds they have permission to give away big macs for free, does that mean McDonalds has too? That's silly. They didn't have too lower their standards. They didn't have to sell off the loans. They didn't have to gamble on futures markets.

RE: Chris The banks where given orders to make the ... by MikeC

MikeC — Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:43:37 GMT

Chris The banks where given orders to make the loans and on top of all that, the banks where told by the feds, if the loans go bad we will pick up the tab. Well guess what ? the loans went bad and the feds did pick up the tab. Wala ! You and I paid for it. I think the term is, cause and effect. I still stand by my comment that the feds new about the bundled mortgages sold over seas and did nothing.

RE: Why don't you look into the bank default system ... by Chris

Chris — Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:26:14 GMT

why don't you look into the bank default system. Even people trying to pay their loans couldn't or didn't know who to even make payment to once the mortgages were sold to 3rd,4th 5th, parties. Some responsibility goes to the consumer, sure. But then why do we give the banks free pass and not the citizen for the same practice? Also, why do any credit evaluation if a loan is completely the responsibility of the consumer? The banks new they were bad, and took the money and ran. The deserve NO responsibility from this? No oversight?

RE: Chris you underestimate the logic of Americans ... by MikeC

MikeC — Wed, 04 Jan 2012 19:34:14 GMT

Chris you underestimate the logic of Americans. When did it become logical to give loans to those who could not afford to pay the loans back ? In my mind, not to pay the loans back is stealing. No exceptions !

RE: No, the government stopping the practice or ... by Chris

Chris — Wed, 04 Jan 2012 18:43:56 GMT

No, the government stopping the practice or regulating it led to the problem. The media is lazy, but I find MSNBC at least uses logic and facts to support their conclusions. Problem is, Americans are uneducated and lazy, so they want their news the same way. Fox is nothing more than lazy patriotic pandering and name calling at times. Which is why they enjoy great ratings.

RE: Chris I think we both have to stop attacking ... by MikeC

MikeC — Wed, 04 Jan 2012 17:36:12 GMT

Chris I think we both have to stop attacking corporations and unions (labor). They are both needed like two sides of a coin. The government involvement in the housing market was the initial cause of the market collapse. The trouble is, like alway's the government did not follow through or think through the actions or reactions in the market place. Selling off bulk mortgages overseas should have been stopped as soon as it was found out. The government was silent until it was to late. Now it is the blame game. To many politicians from all sides had there hands in it and where making money. I also know what you mean about productive workers. The atmosphere for being productive is not there. Another story for a different time. As I see it, the biggest problem we have today is not the terms "liberal" or "conservative." It is a corrupt media that is so far into the political game that very few people ever hear the truth. My beef is with the media and there lazy attitude of getting all there information off the wire services. Not giving us facts without giving us there preconceived opinions. Everyone looses because of there own arrogance.

RE: We don't have the most productive workers, that's ... by Chris

Chris — Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:33:07 GMT

we don't have the most productive workers, that's patriotic blindness. Countries that have slave labor do. We have the most powerful buyers market. And if corporations leave, they lose that. I agree with your take on labor unions, I just think that corporations have over reached their greed, just as unions once did, at a certain point there is backlash, and they are receiving it now. Their greed caused the housing bubble, we then give them a trillion dollars, and they sit on it rather than lend it out. It's time to reel in the banks so they aren't too big too fail. it's time that we cut back their power, as we did with unions.

RE: Chris Read a history book ? Wow, the way you ... by MikeC

MikeC — Wed, 04 Jan 2012 14:40:15 GMT

Chris Read a history book ? Wow, the way you sound, you never picked one up let alone read one. Do you really think that corporations pay tax ? Apparently you know nothing of business.

What ever tax the government charges the corporation, that tax is just added to the cost of the product or service. NO one is saying there should not be regulation. You bringing up work days, safety, and labor laws. What you don't seem to understand is I am pro union but smart enough to know that the unions destroyed themselves through greed. Something you seem to think that only the corporations are guilty of. If corporations don't make money here, they will make it overseas. We are not the only buyers in the neighborhood.

What's that called ? The world market ? I can fly my goods here in a couple hours or ship my goods here in a day. Why should I make or sell my product here if the regulations are so combersome. I will just sell my product overseas and make my money over there. There money is just as good as yours.

Get with it, we have the most productive people in the world along with becoming the most apathetic generation that ever lived in this country. 95% of every business fails in the first 5 years. 5% Make it. You should listen to the 5% that made it instead of the 95% that failed. I don't think you have a clue !

RE: Wrong.if a corporation providing a product fails ... by Chris

Chris — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:30:27 GMT

wrong.if a corporation providing a product fails, another comes along to supply it better. Banks weren't always too big to fail. They were made that way through unchecked regulation and legislation. Also, Mike C --- If we people fail the corporation fails as well. See, its a mutual system. And people are just asking them to pay a mutual amount. Unless of course you just want us to be China? We've have a good model of what life is like with unchecked capitalism. Need we see more? How was the industrial age for American people? no weekends. 15 hours work days. no safety. no labor parties. no child labor laws. You want to return to that be my guest. Go study a frickin history book and turn off Fox propoganda. SLAVE.

RE: Ap facts are something you far right extremists never use they get in the way of your lies and hate. by dfrogpong

dfrogpong — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:56:51 GMT

ap facts are something you far right extremists never use they get in the way of your lies and hate.

RE: Mike C, you really shouldn't confuse the poor ... by Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:03:40 GMT

Mike C, you really shouldn't confuse the poor Tadpole with facts. He's not equipped to deal with them. This causes a mental fixation in the unfortunate frog, and results in a continuous stream of invective and excoriation. That's how many ultra-liberals respond to any disagreement with their agenda.

RE: It would appear that dfrogpong is extremely upset ... by Lady Aban Ceaulosevic

Lady Aban Ceaulosevic — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:31:50 GMT

It would appear that dfrogpong is extremely upset. This can happen when one is too passionate about the leader of a political cult and is proven wrong. I hope that she can regain her sanity before much longer.

RE: Dfrogpong 35% corporate tax rate in the U.S ... by MikeC

MikeC — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 03:32:04 GMT

dfrogpong 35% corporate tax rate in the U.S. Do you know what it is in Europe and elsewhere ? Do you know what is happening to the pound, Euro, etc. ? Do you think the corporations are going to keep there headquarters here because the Government tell them to ? Not that I don't think corporation should not be regulated but you must be aware that everything you own, want or have is based on the success of corporations. Car's, TV, housing, food, etc. along with you retirement programs, insurance and hospitalization. If they fail, we all fail.

RE: Rocmike and mike c. do you people forget or more ... by dfrogpong

dfrogpong — Mon, 02 Jan 2012 15:11:51 GMT

rocmike and mike c. do you people forget or more likely deny the disaster bush and the conservatives left our country in. most indicators have improved greatly since bushs failed presidency. the others are starting to show improvements. the teabagger republican house that has the lowest approval rating in the history of our country has been doing everything possible to slow progress. the american people know this. right wing talking points like muslim and birther garbage have no effect. obama has the lowest approval rating thus far and still there is no republican who can beat him. as the economy continues to improve obama will win easily. the american people will have a definite and clear choice in the 2012 election. the republicans want to protect the rich at the expense of the middle class and dems will fight for the middle class. under obama the stock market has doubled since bush left office. even though the jobs arent being created fast enough there has still been job gains. at the end of bush failed presidency we were losing 750,000 jobs a month. in bushs 8 years in office he averaged 11,000 jobs a month by far the worst in history. 125,000 a month are needed just to keep pace with people entering the work force for the first time. bush also doubled the national debt. bush allowed our country to be attacked the started his war of choice in iraq. i can go on and on with facts. as everyone can see the answer the republicans have for every problem is more tax cuts for the rich. corporations are making record profits the rich have gotten tax breaks and where are the jobs? why would we want to go back to those failed policies and i pray to God that we dont. can rocmikes aliases, dudley, suffolk, southern, harley spirit, 999, asenoxg, anonymous and many many more make a post without using the words atheists or muslims?

RE: I hear you Mike but we must just keep doing what we think is right. by MikeC

MikeC — Mon, 02 Jan 2012 14:01:49 GMT

I hear you Mike but we must just keep doing what we think is right.

RE: Obama staged a hostile takeover with a sack full of lies. We pay a horrific price for that now. Remember that I told you so in 2007. by Mike Dudley

Mike Dudley — Mon, 02 Jan 2012 09:48:04 GMT

Obama staged a hostile takeover with a sack full of lies. We pay a horrific price for that now. Remember that I told you so in 2007.

RE: Mike Dudley If we as Christians do our part ... by MikeC

MikeC — Sun, 25 Dec 2011 15:11:40 GMT

Mike Dudley If we as Christians do our part in the political process, we would not even have to worry about what you are talking about. I am afraid we are just to apathetic a people and that we take to much for granted. It is all coming back and kicking us all in the butt.

RE: Atheists demand compulsory state enforced atheism ... by Mike Dudley

Mike Dudley — Sun, 25 Dec 2011 13:49:12 GMT

Atheists demand compulsory state enforced atheism. Muslims demand compulsory state enforced Islam. Neither has one bit of truth in it, but they enforce their cults with sheer terror. I want no part of that.